I recently upgraded to 16.1 from 13.2 on an X64 CPU and ext4 partitions, on an old AMD PC. Installed clean runs well - congratulations ! I am using SpaceFM window manager and desktop. I have a few queries that the community may have answers to ? Thanks to all in anticipation.
1. Iceweasel does not appear, is that browser finished with now or is an upgraded version to be made available ? If not can I remove the desktop icon ? No problem I am using Chromium, Google-Chrome or Firefox. Iceweasel vers.22 was becoming unacceptable to my online bankers security checks.
2. How can I change the background colour on the toolbar CPU and eth0 monitors from black to white ? I can't see them well enough to be useful.
3. Can I put a shutdown button plus other option buttons on the toolbar as in 13.2 ? I read the text about it in the config file but didn't understand it well enough to get things changed.
4. Why is the install button left on the menu when the install is complete ? can it be removed easily ?
5. Where can I find the dialogue to define preferred applications in a list when a file name is clicked ?
6. Where are the terminal applications from 13.2 ? I was using the app to write an iso file from a bootable CD. Is there an alternative ?
Best wishes to all and thanks for a fine product.
Sincerely
Roland
topic title: beta caceres odd queries
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rolandPosts: 53
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#2
firefox replaces iceweasel. You can remove the iceweasel desktop icon.
Howto change toolbar background color? Depends on which window manager you are using ~~ which is a detail you didn't mention. Are you saying the color does not change when you select various different window manager styles/themes?
Can I put a shutdown button plus other option buttons on the toolbar as in 13.2 ?
Again,"howto" depends on which window manager you are using ~~ which is a detail you didn't mention.
Why is the install button left on the menu when the install is complete ?
Idunno. Maybe you performed a snapshot, and the snapshot utility re-created a launcher entry?
This will remove the launcher file:
[color-green]sudo rm /usr/share/applications/antix/minstall.desktop[/color]
You can remove the menu entry by visiting ControlCenter--} Edit JWM Settings
(or fluxbox or icewm) and search for, and delete, the line mentioning the"install" menu entry.
Followup by clicking"update Menus" within the desktop menu.
Where can I find the dialogue to define preferred applications in a list when a file name is clicked ?
Sadly, there apparently is no"one single place" to do so, because rox-filer file manager and spacefm file manager differ in how they"pick" handlers for various file types. Your starting point would be to use the"Preferred Applications" utility available in antix ControlCenter. Afterward, you will probably ALSO need to tweak the options/preferences settings within the spacefm and/or rox-filer dialogs.
"I was using the app to write an iso file from a bootable CD. Is there an alternative ?"
within the desktop menu:
Applications --} System Tools --} iso-snapshot
Perhaps this is what you want?
Howto change toolbar background color? Depends on which window manager you are using ~~ which is a detail you didn't mention. Are you saying the color does not change when you select various different window manager styles/themes?
Can I put a shutdown button plus other option buttons on the toolbar as in 13.2 ?
Again,"howto" depends on which window manager you are using ~~ which is a detail you didn't mention.
Why is the install button left on the menu when the install is complete ?
Idunno. Maybe you performed a snapshot, and the snapshot utility re-created a launcher entry?
This will remove the launcher file:
[color-green]sudo rm /usr/share/applications/antix/minstall.desktop[/color]
You can remove the menu entry by visiting ControlCenter--} Edit JWM Settings
(or fluxbox or icewm) and search for, and delete, the line mentioning the"install" menu entry.
Followup by clicking"update Menus" within the desktop menu.
Where can I find the dialogue to define preferred applications in a list when a file name is clicked ?
Sadly, there apparently is no"one single place" to do so, because rox-filer file manager and spacefm file manager differ in how they"pick" handlers for various file types. Your starting point would be to use the"Preferred Applications" utility available in antix ControlCenter. Afterward, you will probably ALSO need to tweak the options/preferences settings within the spacefm and/or rox-filer dialogs.
"I was using the app to write an iso file from a bootable CD. Is there an alternative ?"
within the desktop menu:
Applications --} System Tools --} iso-snapshot
Perhaps this is what you want?
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rolandPosts: 53
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#3
I am using space-iceWM
I don't recall taking any snapshot - I just did a straight install fron a CD and it ran right through clean. I kept my existing $home.
As an aside 16.1 recognises a USB pendrive very quickly when inserted compared to 13.2 on this ancient PC which may only have USB 1.0. 16.1 takes about 5 seconds to show it up as a device in SpaceFM, while 13.2 takes up to 5 minutes for the same. Any reason for such a difference ?
I was using Bleachbit every now and again under 13.2 and sometimes cleared up to 1gb of temp files and junk. Bleachbit I can't find anywhere under 16.1, is it not necessary, was it ever worthwhile, was I wasting my time with it ? If so how do the ext4 indexes get tidied up ? Is this an ongoing process that I can forget all about ?
At times I can hear the hard disk working away for a short while for no apparent reason when logged into email, various forums or web browsing under Chromium or Firefox. Is this to be expected ? I never noticed it under 13.2 with Iceweasel. Occasionally it slows up somewhat then frees up again.
All these points are interesting but relatively trivial - 16.1 is very good, you all deserve a mention in dispatches for the hard work you have put in.
Thanks for your replies, I'll have a go at your hints this week.
I don't recall taking any snapshot - I just did a straight install fron a CD and it ran right through clean. I kept my existing $home.
As an aside 16.1 recognises a USB pendrive very quickly when inserted compared to 13.2 on this ancient PC which may only have USB 1.0. 16.1 takes about 5 seconds to show it up as a device in SpaceFM, while 13.2 takes up to 5 minutes for the same. Any reason for such a difference ?
I was using Bleachbit every now and again under 13.2 and sometimes cleared up to 1gb of temp files and junk. Bleachbit I can't find anywhere under 16.1, is it not necessary, was it ever worthwhile, was I wasting my time with it ? If so how do the ext4 indexes get tidied up ? Is this an ongoing process that I can forget all about ?
At times I can hear the hard disk working away for a short while for no apparent reason when logged into email, various forums or web browsing under Chromium or Firefox. Is this to be expected ? I never noticed it under 13.2 with Iceweasel. Occasionally it slows up somewhat then frees up again.
All these points are interesting but relatively trivial - 16.1 is very good, you all deserve a mention in dispatches for the hard work you have put in.
Thanks for your replies, I'll have a go at your hints this week.
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#4
Bleachbit was probably omitted in the newer build due to trying to minimize the ISO size.
So just sudo apt update && apt-get install bleachbit
"13.2 takes up to 5 minutes for the same. Any reason for such a difference ?"
If it's working well, instead of guessing"Why?" let's just be thankful.
If swap is not being accessed, you can alleviate firefox disk I/O by visiting about:preferences and editing the prefkey browser.cache.disk.parent_directory
(or create a key with that name, if it doesn't already exist)
and supply a tmpfs path for the prefkey value, e.g. /tmp/happyfox
So just sudo apt update && apt-get install bleachbit
"13.2 takes up to 5 minutes for the same. Any reason for such a difference ?"
If it's working well, instead of guessing"Why?" let's just be thankful.
The newer web browser versions do consume more RAM compared to older versions. Can we rule out"swap access" in the scenario you've described?At times I can hear the hard disk working away
for a short while
for no apparent reason
when logged into email, various forums or web browsing under Chromium or Firefox.
If swap is not being accessed, you can alleviate firefox disk I/O by visiting about:preferences and editing the prefkey browser.cache.disk.parent_directory
(or create a key with that name, if it doesn't already exist)
and supply a tmpfs path for the prefkey value, e.g. /tmp/happyfox
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rolandPosts: 53
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#5
Hi again,
I installed Bleachbit as suggested, no problem and thanks for that. But when using it as ROOT, it asks as usual for the ROOT password but then doesn't recognise it, instead wants the USER account pasword which when supplied it goes away and runs as it should. This is not a problem to me but maybe it's hiding another one?
I realised what you mean about defining the preferred apps when clicking on a file. I'll have to play with that one when time allows. Again no big deal.
Is there any way of installing the group of Terminal Apps as a single update or do I have to go through them one by one and set up the menu entries manually ? Can I set them all up as an executable file and run them under bash?
I have Chromium, Google Chrome and Firefox all installed.and have a distinct preference for non-corporate software which is why I'm here in the first place. What browser do you suggest I use ? I avoid GOOGLE as a search engine but contrariwise I do use GMAIL! I an having trouble with Chromuim, can't get rid of the default GMAIL email accounts on the template, which are my wife's and must have come from something historical, they are located in / home / roland / .config / default / ? but it's an SQL database and therefore I can't edit the texts, nor can I discover how to change them the official way. Any ideas please ?
Thanks for your time, I'm in a tough learning curve.
Roland
I installed Bleachbit as suggested, no problem and thanks for that. But when using it as ROOT, it asks as usual for the ROOT password but then doesn't recognise it, instead wants the USER account pasword which when supplied it goes away and runs as it should. This is not a problem to me but maybe it's hiding another one?
I realised what you mean about defining the preferred apps when clicking on a file. I'll have to play with that one when time allows. Again no big deal.
Is there any way of installing the group of Terminal Apps as a single update or do I have to go through them one by one and set up the menu entries manually ? Can I set them all up as an executable file and run them under bash?
I have Chromium, Google Chrome and Firefox all installed.and have a distinct preference for non-corporate software which is why I'm here in the first place. What browser do you suggest I use ? I avoid GOOGLE as a search engine but contrariwise I do use GMAIL! I an having trouble with Chromuim, can't get rid of the default GMAIL email accounts on the template, which are my wife's and must have come from something historical, they are located in / home / roland / .config / default / ? but it's an SQL database and therefore I can't edit the texts, nor can I discover how to change them the official way. Any ideas please ?
Thanks for your time, I'm in a tough learning curve.
Roland
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#6
The bleachbit password prompt behavior you described is the expected behavior.
Okay, _you_ didn't expect it... I'm just explaining it's not a bug.
You'll find the same (wants YOUR password) when launching sudo-permissioned ControlCenter apps, or Synaptic Package Manager, etc
You might be referring to custom shell scripts, except... you're asking how to"install" them? Confused.
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"Can I set them all up as an executable file and run them under bash?"
Yes.
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To gain ability to launch via menu, create a .desktop file for each item you want added to the menu, then perform"Update Menus"
Maybe some sites you visit (geemail) behave better when using"gbrowser", yet you'll prefer fbrowser (or pbrowser, or qbrowser) for general use?
"SQL database"
I don't use chrome/chromium, but it's probably storing data in a"sqlite" container.
Editors are available for inspecting/editing sqlite datafiles (no, I don't have specific download links).
IIRC, debian has a"sqliteman" package; I can't recall whether it provides a GUI.
If you do decide to edit, create a backup copy of the datafile.
Also, in case it's not obvious... don't attempt to edit browser-related files while the browser is running.
Okay, _you_ didn't expect it... I'm just explaining it's not a bug.
You'll find the same (wants YOUR password) when launching sudo-permissioned ControlCenter apps, or Synaptic Package Manager, etc
What is"Terminal App"?installing the group of Terminal Apps as a single update or do I have to go through them one by one and set up the menu entries manually ? Can I set them all up as an executable file and run them under bash?
You might be referring to custom shell scripts, except... you're asking how to"install" them? Confused.
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"Can I set them all up as an executable file and run them under bash?"
Yes.
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To gain ability to launch via menu, create a .desktop file for each item you want added to the menu, then perform"Update Menus"
I won't"suggest". It's a personal decision -- you can try various browsers to decide what best suits YOU.What browser do you suggest I use ?
Maybe some sites you visit (geemail) behave better when using"gbrowser", yet you'll prefer fbrowser (or pbrowser, or qbrowser) for general use?
"SQL database"
I don't use chrome/chromium, but it's probably storing data in a"sqlite" container.
Editors are available for inspecting/editing sqlite datafiles (no, I don't have specific download links).
IIRC, debian has a"sqliteman" package; I can't recall whether it provides a GUI.
If you do decide to edit, create a backup copy of the datafile.
Also, in case it's not obvious... don't attempt to edit browser-related files while the browser is running.
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rokytnjiPosts: 4,164
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#7
Well, one can run willy nilly I guess and do
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install <package> <package> <package> into infinity and beyond.
Just as long as you know what you are doing.
Just a upgrade to show how my day is going in
Upgrade today is
See the writing menu readout. No need manually editing menu items unless installing stand alone applications running inside their own folder < in home or /opt > and not installed through out the whole system. Or Terminal apps like I did with
which I placed in my quick launch toolbar
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install <package> <package> <package> into infinity and beyond.
Just as long as you know what you are doing.
Just a upgrade to show how my day is going in
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$ inxi -S
System: Host: biker Kernel: 4.10.1-antix.1-686-smp-pae i686 (32 bit) Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8
Distro: antiX-15-V_386-full Killah P 30 June 2015
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harry@biker:~
$ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[sudo] password for harry:
Ign http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie InRelease
Get:1 http://antix.daveserver.info jessie InRelease [20.6 kB]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease [63.1 kB]
Ign http://download.opensuse.org InRelease
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie Release.gpg
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie Release
Hit http://download.opensuse.org Release.gpg
Get:3 http://antix.daveserver.info jessie/main i386 Packages [128 kB]
Get:4 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main i386 Packages [415 kB]
Hit http://download.opensuse.org Release
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie/main i386 Packages
Hit http://download.opensuse.org Packages
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie/contrib i386 Packages
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie/non-free i386 Packages
Hit http://antix.daveserver.info jessie/nosystemd i386 Packages
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie/contrib Translation-en
Get:5 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/contrib i386 Packages [2,526 B]
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie/main Translation-en
Get:6 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/non-free i386 Packages [14 B]
Get:7 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/contrib Translation-en [1,211 B]
Hit http://ftp.ca.debian.org jessie/non-free Translation-en
Get:8 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main Translation-en [218 kB]
Get:9 http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/non-free Translation-en [14 B]
Ign http://download.opensuse.org Translation-en_US
Ign http://download.opensuse.org Translation-en
Ign http://antix.daveserver.info jessie/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://antix.daveserver.info jessie/main Translation-en
Ign http://antix.daveserver.info jessie/nosystemd Translation-en_US
Ign http://antix.daveserver.info jessie/nosystemd Translation-en
Fetched 848 kB in 3s (235 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libjsoncpp0
The following packages will be upgraded:
apt-antix firefox-esr iceweasel libgcrypt20
4 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 49.6 MB of archives.
After this operation, 7,714 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main libgcrypt20 i386 1.6.3-2+deb8u3 [373 kB]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main firefox-esr i386 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 [49.1 MB]
Get:3 http://antix.daveserver.info/jessie/ jessie/main apt-antix all 0.2.7 [10.1 kB]
Get:4 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main libjsoncpp0 i386 0.6.0~rc2-3.1 [74.3 kB]
Get:5 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main iceweasel all 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 [121 kB]
Fetched 49.6 MB in 1min 6s (742 kB/s)
(Reading database ... 173397 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u3_i386.deb ...
Unpacking libgcrypt20:i386 (1.6.3-2+deb8u3) over (1.6.3-2+deb8u2) ...
Preparing to unpack .../apt-antix_0.2.7_all.deb ...
Unpacking apt-antix (0.2.7) over (0.2.6) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libjsoncpp0.
Preparing to unpack .../libjsoncpp0_0.6.0~rc2-3.1_i386.deb ...
Unpacking libjsoncpp0 (0.6.0~rc2-3.1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../firefox-esr_52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1_i386.deb ...
Leaving 'diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by firefox-esr'
Unpacking firefox-esr (52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1) over (45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../iceweasel_52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1_all.deb ...
Unpacking iceweasel (52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1) over (45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1) ...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.58) ...
Setting up libgcrypt20:i386 (1.6.3-2+deb8u3) ...
Setting up apt-antix (0.2.7) ...
Configuration file '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list'
==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or O : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between the versions
Z : start a shell to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
*** antix.list (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? y
Installing new version of config file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list ...
Configuration file '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list'
==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or O : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between the versions
Z : start a shell to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
*** debian.list (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? y
Installing new version of config file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list ...
Configuration file '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list'
==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or O : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between the versions
Z : start a shell to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
*** mx.list (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? y
Installing new version of config file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list ...
Setting up libjsoncpp0 (0.6.0~rc2-3.1) ...
Setting up firefox-esr (52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1) ...
Installing new version of config file /etc/firefox-esr/firefox-esr.js ...
Setting up iceweasel (52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u9) ...
Writing Menu: jwm
Writing Menu: fluxbox
Writing Menu: icewm
harry@biker:~
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prog"Xcalc" /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/32x32/apps/accessories-calculator.png desktop-defaults-run -t xcalcwhich I placed in my quick launch toolbar
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rolandPosts: 53
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#8
rokytnji & skidoo thanks very much for your responses, There's plenty to keep me busy there.
Best wishes
Roland
Best wishes
Roland